Where I live, liberalism and feminism are rampant. It's a bad place to be a conservative, an even worse place to be pro-life or pro-heterosexuality. Liberal ideology runs the town. In fact, even the local police department was banned (by their lesbian chief of police) from wearing the American flag on their uniforms.
However, a strange thing happened today. I picked up a free newspaper called the "Herald Examiner". After years of reading the Ithaca Journal, I decided to try something new. The first article I read blew my mind away.
Culture Check: Love According to Darwin
by Kay Hymowitz
Reprinted from CITY JOURNAL
The article itself is a follow up to responses the author received from a previous article "Child-Man in the Promised Land". The original was about how "too many single young males (SYMs) were lingering in a hormonal limbo between adolescence and adulthood, shunning marriage and children, and whiling away their leisure hours with "South Park" reruns, marathon sessions of World of Warcraft, and Maxim lists of the ten best movie scenes."
The original premise followed the standard cultural stereotype of men as immature, boyish, and unwilling to grow up and face the responsibilities of adulthood. But for the first time that I have ever seen, men responded accordingly to set the record straight on this outdated and erroneous cultural cliche. The author goes on to write:
"It would be easy enough to hold up some of the callow ranting that piece inspired as a proof positive of the child-man's existence. But the truth is that my correspondents' objections gave me pause. Their argument, in effect, was that the SYM is putting off traditional markers of adulthood-one wife, two kids, three bathrooms- not because he's immature but because he's angry. He's angry because he thinks that young women are dishonest, self-involved, slutty, manipulative, shallow, controlling, and gold-digging. He's angry because he thinks that the culture disses all things male. He's angry because he thinks that marriage these days is a raw deal for me."
Here are some responses that his original article illicited:
Jeff, from Middleburg, Florida: "I am not going to hitch my wagon to a woman who is more into her abs, thighs, triceps, and plastic surgery. A woman who seems to have forgotten that she did graduate high school and that it's time to act accordingly."
Another SYM, Alex writes: "Maybe we turn to video games not because we are trying to run away from the responsibilities of a 'grown-up life' but because they are a better companion than some disease-ridden bar tramp who is only after money and a free ride."
One more, from Dean in California: "Men are finally waking up the ever-present fact that traditional marriage, or a committed relationship, with its accompanying socially imposed requirements of being wallets with legs for women, is an empty and meaningless drudgery."
The part that shocked me was this little paragraph: "You can find the same themes posted throughout websites like AmericanWomenSuck, NoMarriage, MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way), and Eternal Bachelor ("Give modern women the husband they deserve. None.")"
Not only does this article talk about the growing Ghost Nation and give constructive and pertinent thought as to why, but it also proves that these websites are becoming mainstream. They are becoming a part of our cultural awareness. This is exciting because it shows that the common feminist response to MRA, the whole burying their heads in the sand and saying "Meh, no one is gonna care about some misogynist chauvinists or take them seriously. They're isolated occurrences on the web, probably virgins living in mom's basement." is wholly and totally: Wrong. There are books about the subject... from Warren Farrell's "The Myth of Male Power" to my latest acquisition, "The Decline of Men: (How the American Male is Tuning Out, Giving Up, and Flipping Off His Future" by Guy Garcia. There are at least half a dozen more that you can purchase at Border's right now. Sure, any hack can write a book, and just about anyone can put up a blog. However, the sentiment behind these writings is valid and is now being the subject of newspaper articles.
Whether the publicity is positive or negative, as newspapers and soon perhaps radio broadcast pick the subject up, the fact is that more and more men will be made aware of this movement's existence, and seek out more information. It will be hard for many men, men who have not been completely feminized, to read the literature and not be persuaded.
Also exciting is the growing idea that men aren't playing computer games, delaying marriage, and opting out of college, career-oriented lives, and seeking a lifestyle of seduction (Pickup Artists, or PUAs) because they are immature and mature slower than women, or because men are simply boorish dumb neanderthals... but because men are simply frustrated and angry at a society that leaves them alienated and exploited.
This is what upsets feminists so much about the MRA and the Ghost Nation. Because if they can't blame men for the way men are, then the only other entity to place blame upon is simply the prevalent mainstream male-bashing culture and the slutty, manipulative, picky, entitled, arrogant and gold-digging Western women. Both spawns of the feminist movement.
Really, the only entity to place blame upon: is them.
I'm sure more articles and literature will pop up over time. I'm sure that more newspapers will write stories about this. I'm sure more men, more father's who have had their children stolen, will protest in front of city hall's and the courts. I'm sure more awareness will be raised, and the movement will grow until it reaches critical mass. At that point in time, critical eyes will be on feminists and Western women.
The movement can be dismissed as misogynist, as immature, as being "scared of strong women", or as a display of male chauvinism, or whatever other shaming language feminists try to use. The fact is, I have met an increasingly large number of women in my day to day life who are sympathetic to the movement. I have met an inordinately large number of men who are sympathetic. Their numbers are growing.
It may take time for the movement to grow - a few more years, perhaps, or even a decade. This is because the Men's Rights Movement truly is a grass roots operation. While feminism operated from the top down - with privileged women such as Betty Friedan writing books that seeped down to the masses, the men's right movement works mostly in reverse; with disenfranchised dad's standing up to speak out. Every man who suffers the real oppression of having his child stolen in divorce, who suffers the extortion of child support payments, of living in a world where women are "liberated" and he's expected to fullfill the same traditional gender role of the Walking Wallet. Every man who suffers under the oppression of "women's reproductive rights" whilst men have virtually no reproductive rights. Every man who is tired of how women behave and act in highschool, college, the workplace, and the dating scene. All these men are sleeper cells for the MRA, and it only takes one hyperlink, one article, or the title of one book they notice at Barnes and Noble to activate them.
And as the movement grows, the shaming language will become meaningless. Men, who suffer silently, will finally stand up and force society to start asking the deep, hard questions.
While the article posits that "the reason for all this anger is that the dating and mating scene is in chaos. SYMs of the postfeminist era are moving around in a Babel of miscues, cross-purposes, and half-conscious, contradictory female expectations that are alternately proudly egalitarian and coyly traditional.", this is only part of the reason. Lack of father's rights, lack of men's reproductive rights, a prevalent male-bashing culture, a culture that demonizes and shames men, a culture that is becoming more and more anti-boy, however overt or subtle, are the factors that play into the scenario.
Only time will tell. But maybe soon men will finally become liberated and empowered.
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Monday, March 2, 2009
Saturday, January 17, 2009
Early Morning Ramblings
Just some ramblings before I head off to work.
There's been a lot of talk over the past few years about how boys aren't doing so good academically, they're falling behind, they're dropping out, they can't pay attention in class, they're on Ritalin, etc etc. Most of this it's plain to see is due to the absence of fathers, which was caused by feminisms "No Fault Divorce" thing, which really turned marriage into a joke at best and a fraud at worst.
Well, feminists don't really seem to care about this whole thing. If you read the blogs, it's all about the same old things. "Fat is beautiful, too." "The media objectifies women." Rape issues, more rape issues, and more rape. Hunting and pecking for examples of sexism against women, which really must take up a lot of their time because you really have to stretch the definition of "sexism" to really find any examples of anti-female sexism in America these days. In fact it's interesting because as they keep stretching the definition of sexism to keep finding examples of it against women, they're really just making examples of anti-male sexism more and more exposed.
But anyway, so the feminists don't care about the boys falling behind. Which is really going to have some negative impacts on women in the future. Everyone knows most women marry up, that is, they marry a man who has more income than she does, and if he doesn't, well those marriages don't really last very long. Not that marriages last that long anyway, but a man has a better shot if her earns more money than she does. Well, with male college enrollment dropping, while women make up to 70% of college students in some areas, with boys dropping out of highschool and getting doped up on Ritalin, these boys aren't really on the path to becoming very successful or to earning a high income.
So what's going to happen is we're going to have this workforce full of women earning lots of money, and while there'll be men in that category too, there'll really be more women than men. So we're going to have all these career women trying to find a man who earns more than she does to marry, but those men just won't be there. Coupled with the fact that by the time the average American woman is in her late 30's, she hasn't married and has 1 or more kids, which just makes her so unappealing to a successful man who could easily date a 20-something who has no kids, these women are really going to find that it's nearly impossible for them to get married. We're going to have this huge generation of spinsters who are really going to be bitter towards men, or just turn around and look at the past couple of decades and go "Oops."
What's sad is that they won't even notice until it's too late; until feminism has directly interefered with their life plans, they won't even pay attention to this sort of thing.
Which is really why feminism has to stop being so gynocentric right now. Of course the feminists will alway ssay "oh, we're not gynocrentic, patriarchy hurts men too." but that sort of idealogical tokenism is so played out, I mean the proof is really in the pudding if you ever take the time to read that drivel they call blogs. It's all women's issue after women's issue after women's issue, with some man-hating and self-righteousness injected into it. And a lot of recent articles I've read have really been trying to take some obscure news articles about this or that, I think one of them was about a Muslim man or something in California "selling" his daughter into marriage, of course it wasn't a "sale", it was more like a bill for the wedding ot the groom's family, but anyway these feminists were trying to use this story, this obscure little story about a misunderstanding in a small farming community, as the justification for the continued existence of feminism.
I mean if you have to stay up all night looking for these sorts of articles to justify yourself, I think that really says a lot.
So anyway, that's my early morning rant. You have all these gynocentric feminists really falling behind the times and just focusing on the same old tired issues, meanwhile there's an entire field of research on boy's falling behind, and of course the feminists don't care and it's really setting a lot of American women up for maritial and emotional failure in the future.
There's been a lot of talk over the past few years about how boys aren't doing so good academically, they're falling behind, they're dropping out, they can't pay attention in class, they're on Ritalin, etc etc. Most of this it's plain to see is due to the absence of fathers, which was caused by feminisms "No Fault Divorce" thing, which really turned marriage into a joke at best and a fraud at worst.
Well, feminists don't really seem to care about this whole thing. If you read the blogs, it's all about the same old things. "Fat is beautiful, too." "The media objectifies women." Rape issues, more rape issues, and more rape. Hunting and pecking for examples of sexism against women, which really must take up a lot of their time because you really have to stretch the definition of "sexism" to really find any examples of anti-female sexism in America these days. In fact it's interesting because as they keep stretching the definition of sexism to keep finding examples of it against women, they're really just making examples of anti-male sexism more and more exposed.
But anyway, so the feminists don't care about the boys falling behind. Which is really going to have some negative impacts on women in the future. Everyone knows most women marry up, that is, they marry a man who has more income than she does, and if he doesn't, well those marriages don't really last very long. Not that marriages last that long anyway, but a man has a better shot if her earns more money than she does. Well, with male college enrollment dropping, while women make up to 70% of college students in some areas, with boys dropping out of highschool and getting doped up on Ritalin, these boys aren't really on the path to becoming very successful or to earning a high income.
So what's going to happen is we're going to have this workforce full of women earning lots of money, and while there'll be men in that category too, there'll really be more women than men. So we're going to have all these career women trying to find a man who earns more than she does to marry, but those men just won't be there. Coupled with the fact that by the time the average American woman is in her late 30's, she hasn't married and has 1 or more kids, which just makes her so unappealing to a successful man who could easily date a 20-something who has no kids, these women are really going to find that it's nearly impossible for them to get married. We're going to have this huge generation of spinsters who are really going to be bitter towards men, or just turn around and look at the past couple of decades and go "Oops."
What's sad is that they won't even notice until it's too late; until feminism has directly interefered with their life plans, they won't even pay attention to this sort of thing.
Which is really why feminism has to stop being so gynocentric right now. Of course the feminists will alway ssay "oh, we're not gynocrentic, patriarchy hurts men too." but that sort of idealogical tokenism is so played out, I mean the proof is really in the pudding if you ever take the time to read that drivel they call blogs. It's all women's issue after women's issue after women's issue, with some man-hating and self-righteousness injected into it. And a lot of recent articles I've read have really been trying to take some obscure news articles about this or that, I think one of them was about a Muslim man or something in California "selling" his daughter into marriage, of course it wasn't a "sale", it was more like a bill for the wedding ot the groom's family, but anyway these feminists were trying to use this story, this obscure little story about a misunderstanding in a small farming community, as the justification for the continued existence of feminism.
I mean if you have to stay up all night looking for these sorts of articles to justify yourself, I think that really says a lot.
So anyway, that's my early morning rant. You have all these gynocentric feminists really falling behind the times and just focusing on the same old tired issues, meanwhile there's an entire field of research on boy's falling behind, and of course the feminists don't care and it's really setting a lot of American women up for maritial and emotional failure in the future.
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MRA Trolls: Voices of Dissent
A little blog background on myself: I used to have a blog containing about 20 different posts. I was starting to gain a bit of popularity amongst MRA bloggers, and really thought I was on my way to raising awareness about Men's Rights.
I spent a lot of time on that blog. Then one day I made the mistake of sparking debate on a feminist blog and, like magic, my blog suddenly vanished and my password no longer worked. I became busy in real life and didn't have time to make a new blog, until now.
This was one of the only posts which I saved in an email to myself. I decided it still holds pertinence, so I'm reposting it here:
Trolls have been a HUGE problem on this blog lately.
I am decently sure that there is a group of the same trolls that is plaguing a number of our blogs.
Sigh. A group of trolls that I think might somehow be related to yours and Female Impersonator's hae been bothering me as well. Maybe it's national troll week and we missed it?
We have been experiencing a lot of trolling on this blog lately.
It pleases me that so many men are speaking out against the ideas these feminists are presenting. While it is true that some of us could do it in a more mature way *coy grin*, I am more interested not in what these "trolls" are saying in particular, nor in the way they present their dissent, but in the fact that dissent is indeed there. And it is growing.
The number of anti-feminist blogs, and miscellaneous blogs that contain anti-feminist writings, have been growing over the years. More and more information is becoming available that debunks and refutes feminist claims, rational, and logic.
MRA groups, pigeon-holed as "masculists" by the media, have even been taken to court. Public awareness is growing.
First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
At first, the feminists largely ignored the blogs. There were only a few of them, and many of their writings were reactionary and "misogynistic". As it was the most irate and disgruntled men who began to speak out in inflammatory ways, this was largely true. At first. But these men did something important: they sparked discussion and thought amongst other men. More mature men. More professional men. Each man who was divorced and taken for a ride financially in court. Each man who had his child ripped from him. Each man who has had to pay unfair and exorbitant child support sometimes in excess of $600 dollars a week; exceeding the cost of living when he was married, even! Each man who has been burned by the current Gynocentric Feminist Society, who may have ignored the blogs years earlier, began to read, research, and educate himself. And every man, tired of seeing men on TV portrayed as ignorant, oafish morons who are subject to the authority of their intelligently portrayed wives who has gone on Google and typed "reverse sexism" or "male-bashing".
And the blogs began to increase in number. Men began to post vlogs on Youtube. As the voices of dissent grew, feminists responded with dismissal, ad hominem attacks, and flaming.
And that is what the feminists on these blogs are currently doing. If you post something contrary to feminism, voice disagreement, or find an error or flaw in a statistic or in the logic, they will find a reason to delete your post. They will find some real or imagined slight, insult, or patronization, and cite that as the reason the comment was deleted. And they will never pay any mind to their own insults, flaming, and the insults and flaming posted by other Feminists. As two Feminist exchanged: Maria - "What particularly pompous patronising asses" Dirtyrottenfeminist - "Maria-- You rock. These guys are just gonna blast anyone that disagrees with THEM and try to turn around on us. As long as we are united, we are strong." Apparently, it's okay for them to team up and bully a man with a different opinion. But it's not okay for a man to disagree with Feminism.
Of course, if you point this out, the feminists stoop down to the ultimate cop-out: "It's my blog, I can do whatever I want."
Never mind that feminists criticize the "Patriarchal" idea of "might makes right"- that is, when it's not in their favor. But when it is in their favor, it seems to be perfectly alright.
Then you win.
But as the voices of dissent grow, and grow they shall, it will be harder for feminists to just dismiss us all as "angry men", or as "trolls". They will be forced to address the inconsistencies, the dis-logic, the dis-rationale, and the flat out lies that feminist thinking is filled with. And they will have to answer for every child without a father, and their contribution to violence, crime, and poverty in America.
And it will be at this point in time that feminist thinking, forced to look at itself in a critical light, will simply implode.
Trolling
Yes, there may be a problem with trolling, with men (and sometimes women) posting inflammatory comments and responses to blogs. However, this isn't the "real issue", as my friend Feministgal is so fond of saying. The real issue is this: The voices of dissent are growing and speaking out more and more. This is just a sign of things to come. And these feminists are scared shitless.
But one day they won't be able to just press the delete key.
That day is fast arriving.
I spent a lot of time on that blog. Then one day I made the mistake of sparking debate on a feminist blog and, like magic, my blog suddenly vanished and my password no longer worked. I became busy in real life and didn't have time to make a new blog, until now.
This was one of the only posts which I saved in an email to myself. I decided it still holds pertinence, so I'm reposting it here:
Trolls have been a HUGE problem on this blog lately.
I am decently sure that there is a group of the same trolls that is plaguing a number of our blogs.
Sigh. A group of trolls that I think might somehow be related to yours and Female Impersonator's hae been bothering me as well. Maybe it's national troll week and we missed it?
We have been experiencing a lot of trolling on this blog lately.
It pleases me that so many men are speaking out against the ideas these feminists are presenting. While it is true that some of us could do it in a more mature way *coy grin*, I am more interested not in what these "trolls" are saying in particular, nor in the way they present their dissent, but in the fact that dissent is indeed there. And it is growing.
The number of anti-feminist blogs, and miscellaneous blogs that contain anti-feminist writings, have been growing over the years. More and more information is becoming available that debunks and refutes feminist claims, rational, and logic.
MRA groups, pigeon-holed as "masculists" by the media, have even been taken to court. Public awareness is growing.
First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
At first, the feminists largely ignored the blogs. There were only a few of them, and many of their writings were reactionary and "misogynistic". As it was the most irate and disgruntled men who began to speak out in inflammatory ways, this was largely true. At first. But these men did something important: they sparked discussion and thought amongst other men. More mature men. More professional men. Each man who was divorced and taken for a ride financially in court. Each man who had his child ripped from him. Each man who has had to pay unfair and exorbitant child support sometimes in excess of $600 dollars a week; exceeding the cost of living when he was married, even! Each man who has been burned by the current Gynocentric Feminist Society, who may have ignored the blogs years earlier, began to read, research, and educate himself. And every man, tired of seeing men on TV portrayed as ignorant, oafish morons who are subject to the authority of their intelligently portrayed wives who has gone on Google and typed "reverse sexism" or "male-bashing".
And the blogs began to increase in number. Men began to post vlogs on Youtube. As the voices of dissent grew, feminists responded with dismissal, ad hominem attacks, and flaming.
And that is what the feminists on these blogs are currently doing. If you post something contrary to feminism, voice disagreement, or find an error or flaw in a statistic or in the logic, they will find a reason to delete your post. They will find some real or imagined slight, insult, or patronization, and cite that as the reason the comment was deleted. And they will never pay any mind to their own insults, flaming, and the insults and flaming posted by other Feminists. As two Feminist exchanged: Maria - "What particularly pompous patronising asses" Dirtyrottenfeminist - "Maria-- You rock. These guys are just gonna blast anyone that disagrees with THEM and try to turn around on us. As long as we are united, we are strong." Apparently, it's okay for them to team up and bully a man with a different opinion. But it's not okay for a man to disagree with Feminism.
Of course, if you point this out, the feminists stoop down to the ultimate cop-out: "It's my blog, I can do whatever I want."
Never mind that feminists criticize the "Patriarchal" idea of "might makes right"- that is, when it's not in their favor. But when it is in their favor, it seems to be perfectly alright.
Then you win.
But as the voices of dissent grow, and grow they shall, it will be harder for feminists to just dismiss us all as "angry men", or as "trolls". They will be forced to address the inconsistencies, the dis-logic, the dis-rationale, and the flat out lies that feminist thinking is filled with. And they will have to answer for every child without a father, and their contribution to violence, crime, and poverty in America.
And it will be at this point in time that feminist thinking, forced to look at itself in a critical light, will simply implode.
Trolling
Yes, there may be a problem with trolling, with men (and sometimes women) posting inflammatory comments and responses to blogs. However, this isn't the "real issue", as my friend Feministgal is so fond of saying. The real issue is this: The voices of dissent are growing and speaking out more and more. This is just a sign of things to come. And these feminists are scared shitless.
But one day they won't be able to just press the delete key.
That day is fast arriving.
Labels:
backlash,
feminism,
feminist dissent,
MRA trolls
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